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Our "Yes!-timonials"
Note: All prices reported by our
customers are those negotiated above
or below the total dealer invoice price and do
not include any cash incentives in effect
By contrast, other automotive sites (like TrueCar and CarWoo) tell you how much people taking their advice or using their service have paid below the manufacturer's suggested RETAIL PRICE/MSRP. But who except someone who just fell off the turnip truck pays the sticker price?
In addition, their reported "selling prices" often include any customer or dealer cash incentives in effect at the time of purchase — incentives that even Village Idiots and those dumb enough to be on the Dr. Phil TV show get automatically. If a reported savings of "$3,000 below MSRP" included a $2,500 cash incentive, then the real negotiated price would be $2,500 higher, which would make their "deals" look much worse and be bad for their business.
So how "true" or useful is their information? Surely you are smart enough to see those claimed "savings" as bogus!
The message here: Beware of "corporate" sites using the sham of "savings" that are below MSRP and prices that include rebates to illustrate the effectiveness of their advice or their negotiating service. Subtracting air from air leaves . . . . just hot air.
There's another important message here: Most of those "corporate" auto sites give you a "target price" to shoot for, "based on what others (or most buyers) are paying (in your area)." Kelley Blue Book calls it a "Fair Purchase Price." Edmunds calls it the "True Market Value." TrueCar gives you a "Good Price" and a "Great Price." These prices are typically somewhere between the retail/sticker price and the dealer invoice, and seldom below invoice unless they include incentives. But because there are so many truly-hidden ways dealers get bonus money from automakers — ways that are not attached to the sale of any individual vehicle — it's bone-stupid to take their advice and settle on any specific price target.
Fortunately, you're not in that pile of "others" or "most buyers" in your area. You're YOU, one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. Your objective will be to get that car for the best price available, which can often be much lower than those "corporate" web sites' "target" recommendations (as you'll see in most of our "Yes!-timonials").
Our customers never have target prices in mind. They simply tell dealers everything they can learn, then have those stores bid competitively to win their business. And as you'll read below, there are can be major differences between the high and low bids they receive — much larger than the typical ranges those auto sites list.
The balance of this page contains a substantial sampling of the kinds of "Yes!-timonials" Fighting Chance customers have sent us. And we're always adding new ones.
After you've read through several of them, ask yourself, "Why doesn’t a single one of those "corporate" auto sites list any testimonials like these? They get tens of thousands of visitors daily, while Fighting Chance gets just a few hundred. Could it be that the quality of the information and advice they provide isn't good enough to elicit this kind of customer enthusiasm?
Ya think?
customers are those negotiated above
or below the total dealer invoice price and do
not include any cash incentives in effect
By contrast, other automotive sites (like TrueCar and CarWoo) tell you how much people taking their advice or using their service have paid below the manufacturer's suggested RETAIL PRICE/MSRP. But who except someone who just fell off the turnip truck pays the sticker price?
In addition, their reported "selling prices" often include any customer or dealer cash incentives in effect at the time of purchase — incentives that even Village Idiots and those dumb enough to be on the Dr. Phil TV show get automatically. If a reported savings of "$3,000 below MSRP" included a $2,500 cash incentive, then the real negotiated price would be $2,500 higher, which would make their "deals" look much worse and be bad for their business.
So how "true" or useful is their information? Surely you are smart enough to see those claimed "savings" as bogus!
The message here: Beware of "corporate" sites using the sham of "savings" that are below MSRP and prices that include rebates to illustrate the effectiveness of their advice or their negotiating service. Subtracting air from air leaves . . . . just hot air.
There's another important message here: Most of those "corporate" auto sites give you a "target price" to shoot for, "based on what others (or most buyers) are paying (in your area)." Kelley Blue Book calls it a "Fair Purchase Price." Edmunds calls it the "True Market Value." TrueCar gives you a "Good Price" and a "Great Price." These prices are typically somewhere between the retail/sticker price and the dealer invoice, and seldom below invoice unless they include incentives. But because there are so many truly-hidden ways dealers get bonus money from automakers — ways that are not attached to the sale of any individual vehicle — it's bone-stupid to take their advice and settle on any specific price target.
Fortunately, you're not in that pile of "others" or "most buyers" in your area. You're YOU, one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. Your objective will be to get that car for the best price available, which can often be much lower than those "corporate" web sites' "target" recommendations (as you'll see in most of our "Yes!-timonials").
Our customers never have target prices in mind. They simply tell dealers everything they can learn, then have those stores bid competitively to win their business. And as you'll read below, there are can be major differences between the high and low bids they receive — much larger than the typical ranges those auto sites list.
The balance of this page contains a substantial sampling of the kinds of "Yes!-timonials" Fighting Chance customers have sent us. And we're always adding new ones.
After you've read through several of them, ask yourself, "Why doesn’t a single one of those "corporate" auto sites list any testimonials like these? They get tens of thousands of visitors daily, while Fighting Chance gets just a few hundred. Could it be that the quality of the information and advice they provide isn't good enough to elicit this kind of customer enthusiasm?
Ya think?
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"The advice on those other auto sites would lead to a price of approximately $71,400. I fully intended on going into the dealer and offering $70,000.00 before taxes, registration, tag, etc." "I'm don't consider myself a good communicator, so I was skeptical of how I was going to do in the initial phone calls, but it went pretty easily by following your instructions. I sent the email attack to 7 dealers. Four of them worked for my potential sale. Three of those submitted decent first amounts, but the lowest of the ones pitched was incredible sounding. When I emailed and told the others, they all called me and said that they couldn't touch that price. So, I went with a dealer that was 2 1/2 hours from my home." "I wound up paying $5,972 BELOW INVOICE! (The next best bid was $3,000 below.) I left the dealership with my car, and they had a check from me for the $69,239 Out-the-Door price! Not a cent more! Just imagine the difference if I would have received that great 'deal' of a dealer accepting my $70k, + 6% FL sales tax, + tags, registration, etc. Tax on 70k alone is $4200 here!" "All that said, this was the BEST $39.95 I have ever spent in my life!!! I fully expected to pay $80k Out the Door, but wound up spending almost $11k below my initial calculations. Thanks so much for everything!" |
| M.V., Cantonment, FL |
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"The dealer with the second best quote said, "$406 under invoice, huh? I was afraid of that. All right, I want to play!" He said he'd just lost a deal over a $12 price difference to someone using exactly the same approach. He thought the whole thing was "genius," and that whoever put it together must have worked in the auto industry. He said he'd get back to me quickly, and he did. When the email came in I was shocked. He had dropped from $18 under invoice to $1,291 under!" "I then called the dealer with the $406 under quote, who very quickly said he would sell the car for $1,400 below invoice. I was ok with this, since he had my wife's favorite color, and I didn't want to turn it into even more of a bidding war anyway. I signed the papers that night." "The next morning I got a call from the $406 under invoice guy. He told me that his boss did NOT want to lose this deal. I told him we'd already made a deal with another dealer. He put his boss (fleet manager) on the line, who said he would save us an extra $500 ($1,900 below invoice)! When I told him we'd already signed the papers with the other dealer, he said they were willing to lose $2,000 selling the car to me in order to get a $35,000 to $70,000 'below-the-line' bonus from VW that month." "What a different experience from the last car we bought! I may have jumped the gun a bit by buying on the 30th instead of the 31st, but I'm still happy with the deal I got. I'll definitely recommend your service to anyone who plans to buy a car, and I'll be back when it's time for me to upgrade. Thanks again!" |
| M.P., Pleasanton, CA |
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| R. T., Miami, FL |
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| G. B., Cordova, TN |
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“Only Fighting Chance told me the whole truth about the real financial relationship between auto companies and their dealers. That dealers get secret ‘below-the-line’ revenue from automakers that reduces their ‘actual dealer costs’ dramatically. Revenue that dwarfs what they get in ‘holdback’ and is not attached to the sale of any specific vehicle. Incentive programs that no one can tell you about in detail, but ones with rewards so substantial that dealers who are close to getting big bonus checks are willing to lose money on deals to reach their sales targets. Your package also explained to me where the money comes from for those secret programs.” “Knowing that, I understood why it was bone-stupid to shoot for a "target price" based on a bogus assumption of ‘the real dealer cost.' That the objective wasn't to get a specific price, but to get the best deal available in my market for the vehicle I wanted. And that that price is often much better than any target price I'd find on the Internet. So I followed your straightforward, step-by-step instructions on how to do that, and the results I got confirmed the wisdom of their approach.” “The winning bid was $1,123 below the dealer invoice. The other bids: $1,105 below invoice, $385 below invoice, two right at the invoice price, $238 over invoice, $591 over invoice and $1,074 over invoice. That’s a $2,200 difference between the high and low bids! And this month's low bidder could be next month's high bidder, depending on where a given dealership stands against its secret, below-the-line objectives.” “P.S. The winning sales manager asked me not to share my approach with any other potential customers. I promised I wouldn’t.” |
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"There were three bidders at the same level ($1,250 under invoice), but the winner also threw in two nice items: three free oil changes and (the kicker that put them over the top) free airport parking at LAX for the entire time I own the car! (That dealership is close to the airport.) As a frequent traveler, this could save me a couple of thousand dollars over the 4-5 years I own the car. The other two stepped up with perks like free rental cars during warranty service and a lifetime of free oil changes, but the unique advantage of the LAX dealer was too much to overcome." "After the checks were exchanged and the contracts signed, the dealer candidly showed me on his computer screen that they had lost $547 on the deal, but given the hefty sales volume and CSI bonus hanging out there this month, it was well worth it to put a point on the board in advance of the Memorial Day weekend." "Thanks again for your idiot-proof package. I have two buddies who raved about your service, and our circle of friends will now have three fans." |
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"I can say without any reservation that the money spent on your complete (and I do mean complete) package was a bargain and paid for itself many, many times over. We settled on a sale at the dealer's invoice price and could not be more pleased. Even after officially closing the deal, we had dealers continuing to call in an attempt to"sweeten" the deal even further. Unbelievable! You may rest assured that all of my car-buying friends will be directed to your website." "Incidentally, my wife, who absolutely detests the "usual" negotiating tactics associated with purchasing a car (and never, never gets involved), handled this entire purchase completely on her own from start to finish and was comfortable throughout." |
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